Donna/Douglas Perry (USA)

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Douglas Perry, 62, has sex reassignment surgery in Thailand in 2000 and now uses the name Donna.  Now charged with three counts of murder, Perry was linked through DNA evidence to the killings of Yolanda Sapp, Kathleen Brisbois and Nickie Lowe. Perry allegedly confessed to a cell mate to killing nine women “because he (Perry) couldn’t breed and the women had the ability to have children and they were wasting it being ‘pond scum.'” He also told law enforcement that he has sex reassignment surgery  “as a permanent way to control violence.” You can watch a local news video of this story here.

Perry apparently will defend against the charges by saying that it is not Donna Perry but Douglas Perry who killed the women.  When detectives interviewed Perry and asked why the murders had stopped, he replied, “Douglas didn’t stop, Donna stopped it,” according to the affidavit. Since then, Perry said he is “paranoid and emotional but won’t hurt anybody.”

“I’m not going to admit I killed anybody, I didn’t. Donna has killed nobody,” he told police. When pressed if “Doug did” the killings, Perry replied, “I don’t know if Doug did or not, it was 20 years ago and I have no idea whether he did or did not,” according to the affidavit.

It is unclear whether Perry will claim it is “misgendering” to accuse him of murder now that he identifies as Donna.  It is also not uncommon for transwomen to express envy of actual women’s reproductive capacity as Perry has.  So-called “pregnancy envy” will frame women’s vulnerability to impregnation as a form of privilege women have over transwomen. In January, Stephanie Mott described delight at the thought of a uterus transplant into a man thusly:

As a woman, it is quite expected that I might have the same desires that many other women have. Among those desires is the desire to be a mom; the desire to carry a child. If medical advances offer that possibility to transgender women, it is no different than offering that possibility to cisgender women.
I am 56 years old. I won’t be the first transgender woman to receive a uterus and experience pregnancy. But I will probably live to see it happen. And that makes me feel like I am spinning and twirling down the aisle, perfectly engaged in being nothing other than a three-year-old girl. How much more simple could it be?

Transgender Woman Says Her Male Persona Is the Serial Killer – ABC News.

Court Docs_ Suspected Serial Killer _Used Sex Change to Control Violence_ _ Spokane_E. WA – KXLY.

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7 thoughts on “Donna/Douglas Perry (USA)

  1. its like these men are only enamored the *functions* of women (as defined by patriarchy). no-one is romanticizing periods (are they) or anything so negative about “womanhood”/femaleness that a man couldn’t spin it positively. (some women do spin menstruation positively but for rational reasons)

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  2. This seems to me to be a very significant case that raises many novel issues of law. Sorting them out would compel any trial court to look directly at some of the issues we have been raising for years regarding the boundaries of the class of women for legal, medical, privacy, and political purposes. For instance:

    1. The article states that Perry allegedly murdered up to 9 women because he hated them for being biological women (they had the capacity to reproduce as biological women and he did not.) Is this a hate crime against women? It seems to be, since it was done because the victims were members of a specific group possessing immutable characteristics. Wikipedia, in its article on Marc Lepine, says: “Criminologists regard the massacre as an example of a hate or bias crime against women, as the victims were selected solely because of their membership of the category of women, and those targeted were interchangeable with others from the same group,” Perry should be charged with a hate crime for this reason. This would force attention to the fact the gender-based violence, which is far more common than any other hate crime, is downplayed in law and society (because there would be too many victims to cope with).

    And, if someone commits violence against several trans people because of hate, is he committing a hate crime against women, or, as I believe the courts would be forced to hold, a crime against another specific group, transgender people? A discussion regarding separating out transgender people as a group from women would be forced.

    2. Can a trans woman be charged with a hate crime against women? Maybe not, if he is considered a woman himself for this legal purpose. The court I believe would be forced into the reality that Perry was NOT A WOMAN at least when the crimes were committed, and his current status as a “woman” would have no bearing on the man-killing-women hate aspect of the crimes.This would force attention to the question of whether Perry’s “change of gender” means he can claim in his defense against a hate-crime charge, that he is part of the same group (reproducing-capable women) that he hates and kills.

    3. Perry allegedly is claiming that his male self killed the women, but that his current female self is harmless. This sounds like he might say he was innocent by reason of insanity due to Multiple Personality Disorder. This case forces the whole issue of whether Gender Dysphoria is a serious mental disorder and should revert to being treated that way.

    4. Perry says that becoming a “woman” stopped him committing violent crimes against women. This directly contradicts MRA and trans lobby positions that differences between the sexes regarding violence are not biological. It lends credence to the idea that estrogen mitigates violence-producing androgens. A medical discussion and more research on this is long overdue.

    I’m sure I’m only scratching the surface of the issues these charges bring up. It could break the whole wall of contradictions and delusions and denials that is making it impossible to settle transgender people into the social fabric in a way that does not harm women, lesbians, and feminists in their own liberation movements. I would love to see a trial, and an appeal, and wide discussion. But my guess is there will be pressure to offer this criminal a quiet plea deal.

    Thanks for bringing this case to wider attention.

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  3. As to the murder charges, Mr. Douglas Perry is innocent until proven guilty. Everyone deserves a fair trial. It seems that “Donna” has a fondness for a huge cache of assorted weapons. Douglas Perry served time on federal weapons charges. He has a criminal history of assault and of possession of firearms.

    I wish spineless, politically correct journalists would stop referring to Mr. Douglas Perry as “she” or a “woman”. Douglas Perry is a man, and if everyone just stopped pandering to his fantasies, there is nothing he could do about it.

    The murders of these three women occurred in 1990 and he underwent sex reassignment surgery in 2000.

    This is how I look at it. If he is found guilty, he should serve his time in a MEN’S PRISON. I don’t care if he had his penis cut off. If he still had it when he committed the crime, he goes to MEN’S PRISON. He was a man then, so serve time as a man.

    I hope he isn’t housed with female inmates. Google Richard, “Sherry” Masbruch. He was convicted of rape and torture. He tied two women up and sadistically tortured them with an electrical wire before raping them. The actual court records are very graphic. At the time of the rapes, he definitely had his penis. At any rate, he self-mutilated his own penis in prison and had to have it removed. He started calling himself “Sherry”. The California Department of Corrections in its wisdom sent him to a women’s prison. Yes, this monster was sent to a women’s prison. Apparently, the female inmates caught wind of what he did and took care of business themselves. Way to go girls! I don’t condone it, but I can understand where they are coming from. The last time I checked, Richard, “Sherry”, Masbruch was in an isolated section of the prison away from other inmates.

    It outrages me that males would commit horrendous acts of violence against women, and then claim that they are “women”. It’s an insult to the entire female sex.

    If found guilty, send Mr. Douglas Perry to a MEN’S PRISON.

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  4. @Dar Guerra, excellent questions…

    “The article states that Perry allegedly murdered up to 9 women because he hated them for being biological women (they had the capacity to reproduce as biological women and he did not.) Is this a hate crime against women?”

    I’m not an attorney, but as I understand it, women are the only historically oppressed group of people who don’t fall under hate crimes legislation. It doesn’t matter how brutal or sadistic the violence against women is. That is, unless the “woman” is really a biological male. I believe that transgender identified people fall under hate crimes legislation in states with hate crime legislation, but not females.

    “It could break the whole wall of contradictions and delusions and denials that is making it impossible to settle transgender people into the social fabric in a way that does not harm women, lesbians, and feminists in their own liberation movements.”

    This had made major news media headlines such as ABC News .

    “Transgender Defense: ‘Donna’ Says ‘Doug’ Is the Spokane Serial Killer”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/transgender-woman-male-persona-serial-killer/story?id=22959423

    Perry is 61 and underwent sex reassignment surgery in Thailand in 2000. This would mean he was 48 years old when he had surgery. So, for approximately 80% of his life, he had male genitalia and was known as Douglas.

    Below is a link to the Affidavit submitted by detectives.

    http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/khq/donnaperrycourtdocuments.pdf

    @ Dar Guerra, this is a good question.

    “I forgot to add, will Perry’s serial killings be counted in law enforcement statistics as having been committed by a woman?”

    Nothing can change their DNA, and it’s going to look silly and ridiculous if the defense refers to Perry’s Y-STR DNA that is mentioned in the Affidavit as “her DNA”, or “Miss Perry’s sperm”. Perry used the services of female prostitutes, and was arrested for patronizing a prostitute.

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  5. “The article states that Perry allegedly murdered up to 9 women because he hated them for being biological women (they had the capacity to reproduce as biological women and he did not.) Is this a hate crime against women? It seems to be, since it was done because the victims were members of a specific group possessing immutable characteristics.”

    Douglas Perry is only charged with three murders, but he said that he murdered 9 women.

    In the spirit of fairness, hate crimes should be tacked onto the three murder charges. These three women were murdered based on their gender.

    If we carefully read the Affidavit, it should be clear to anyone that Douglas Perry has some serious issues with women. He has repeatedly made statements about how much he hates women. It’s an irrational deep seated hatred.

    If found guilty, there was no reason why he would murder these women other than his deep seated hatred of women. Was this a hate crime? Absolutely. Since transgender activists constantly tell us that sex and gender are the same thing, it could be construed as a hate crime. Isn’t “gender identity” included in hate crimes legislation in states that have these laws? If sex is the same thing as gender as we have been told, then this definitely could be viewed as a hate crime. So, in the spirit of fairness, hate crimes should be tacked onto the three murder charges.

    In the Affidavit (see the link in previous post), a detective interviewed someone who talked with Douglas Perry.

    “Perry explained to (Blanked out) that the reason Perry killed these women was because Perry couldn’t breed and the women had the ability to have children and they were wasting it being ‘pond scum’.”

    This is also in the Affidavit,

    “A consent search of his vehicle revealed…”attorney papers which said that Douglas R. Perry had a gender psychosis disorder where he does not like females”. There were other papers found in the vehicle showing the proper steps in getting a sex change”.

    Please keep in mind that Perry underwent sex reassignment surgery in Thailand. I don’t think the surgeons there really care if the patient has a letter from a therapist or not. Anyone can fly to Thailand for surgery. I doubt if a thorough psychological assessment of Perry was ever carried out prior to the sex reassignment surgery. People are making the false assumption that Perry “always felt like a woman”, whatever this is supposed to mean, instead of looking at the facts that show that Douglas Perry was a seriously disturbed individual who harbored a deep seated hatred of women. His peculiar sexual fetish of viewing himself as a “woman” couldn’t hide his underlying hatred of women. I would go as far as to say that his belief that he is “Donna” is part of his deranged overall mental state.

    If three transgender identified persons were killed and the accused said they were “pond scum” who needed to die, hate crimes could possibly be tacked onto the charges. I’ve always supported the inclusion of transgender identified people in hate crimes legislation along with gay men, lesbians, and people of color. If Washington State has hate crimes legislation that includes “gender identity”, then I firmly believe that hate crimes charges should be added to the three murder charges.

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  6. As a follow up on hate crimes legislation in Washington State,

    “For purposes of this section, a “reasonable person” is a reasonable person who is a member of the victim’s race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, gender, or sexual orientation, or who has the same mental, physical, or sensory handicap as the victim.”

    http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/Documents/Departments/Prosecuting_Attorney/Statute.pdf

    According to information in the Affidavit submitted by investigators, Douglas Perry said,

    “Perry explained to (Blanked out) that the reason Perry killed these women was because Perry couldn’t breed and the women had the ability to have children and they were wasting it being ‘pond scum’.”

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